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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1947
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:27:00 -
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lol roleplayers The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1949
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:26:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Ignore Goon Jr. He will try to derail your thread, given the chance.
Except it's not a derail. CCP tried catering to roleplayers and we got a single room that melts video cards, a ridiculous microtransaction store, and two years of Eve being ignored. After losing a ton of subscribers and having to lay off 20% of their employees CCP has finally gotten back on track and is focusing on Eve again. People asking them to stop are being dumb.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1952
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:36:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote:Tell me, kind sir, what I don't get about the game. What do you perceive about my understanding of the game that you think doesn't reflect the game's purpose and design?
How about paying for a spaceship game when you can't live without some kind of human-shaped avatar?
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1953
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Posted - 2012.03.21 03:20:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote:I see. Because EVE isn't a social game with spaceships and explosions and exploration and working towards big awesome ships and being a cool sci-fi space captain who takes huge risks and engages in interstellar commerce and sometimes even corporate espionage?
Because that's my perception of the game. Why is that wrong?.
It's wrong because you want CCP to ignore all the stuff in that list to make you more space pants and dance emotes.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1953
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Posted - 2012.03.21 03:28:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote:I'm defending my desires from people who think that no one can have an opinion on a game unless they have played it for a long time.
It has nothing to do with how long you've played the game. It's coming into a game, expecting it to be something its not and then crying about it on the forums.
It would be like buying WoW for its spaceship content and then starting an emo thread on their forums when you find out it doesn't have any.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1969
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Posted - 2012.03.22 22:22:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:Borun Tal wrote:Why do people get so excited about the possibility of walking in a station when it's a game about spaceships, combat, and space-stuff? I don't get it... Becasue EVE is more than that. EVE is supposed to be the ULTIMATE sci fi simulator. It's not there yet.
Why does Eve have to have space pants and dance emotes to make it the ULTIMATE sci fi simulator?
It's already the ultimate sci fi simulator...no need to cram second life roleplayer nonsense into it.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1972
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Posted - 2012.03.22 22:35:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:It is amusing seeing you repeat the same lines over and over.
And I'll keep repeating them until somebody can answer my questions.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1972
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Posted - 2012.03.22 22:42:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Montevius Williams wrote:Borun Tal wrote:Why do people get so excited about the possibility of walking in a station when it's a game about spaceships, combat, and space-stuff? I don't get it... Becasue EVE is more than that. EVE is supposed to be the ULTIMATE sci fi simulator. It's not there yet. Why does Eve have to have space pants and dance emotes to make it the ULTIMATE sci fi simulator? It's already the ultimate sci fi simulator...no need to cram second life roleplayer nonsense into it. It is amusing seeing you repeat the same lines over and over. You'd have failed a Turing test by now for being unable to respond outside of a narrow set of choices. You can't even see there may be other aspects - even if you personally don't care for them. This is true. It's pretty pathetic. I mean, I don't have a problem with others not liking roleplayers, but to have an attitude that your way is the only way the game is meant to be played? On a damned sandbox game?
Explain how having a human shaped avatar is inherently more "sci-fi" than flying a spaceship. What is it about the ability to buy more space pants in the microtransaction store makes the game an "ultimate sci-fi emulator".
Also, I'm not telling anybody how the game is meant to be played. I'm just making sure that CCP follows through on their promise to focus on Eve content instead of wasting time on crap that only a tiny, tiny group of players cares about.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1975
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Posted - 2012.03.22 22:58:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote:Having a human shaped avatar isn't more sci-fi.
I know.
Quote:And if you aren't saying how EVE should be played, if we had a hypothetical model of development where FiS progresses precisely as it would without any WiS content, but the WiS content is still added, would you be opposed to that?
CCP ignored Eve for two years while working on WiS. If they had the ability to do both they would have done it. If, in the future, when all the FiS problems have been addressed and they want to add dance emotes or whatever I won't care but we're a long, long way off from fixing all the space content problems.
Quote:And how do you justify the assertion that only a tiny percentage of people want WiS content?
Hardly anybody quit when they announced they were putting WiS on the backburner and focusing on actual Eve content. Also, if you look at Issler Dainze's "threadnaught" there are only a handful of people crying about WiS content and the rest of the thread is people trolling them for it. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1992
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Posted - 2012.03.23 00:23:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:That type of misrepresentation does **** all for your credibility.
LOL
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1993
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Posted - 2012.03.23 00:28:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote:You think that it's a measure of how many people want a feature to look at how many people quit if that feature is put on the backburner?
If you don't think the number of people canceling their subscriptions for a game that survives on subscriptions is important then you are dumb.
I'll try to make this really, really simple for you.
CCP ignored Eve for two years to develop WoD and WiS. A bunch of people got fed up and quit. CCP lost a ton of money and had to lay off 20% of their employees. They committed to working on Eve again and put WiS and the backburner. People who had quit started coming back.
If there was some huge population that cared about WiS they would have quit when CCP announced that it was on the backburner but there is no evidence that this happened. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1993
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Posted - 2012.03.23 00:30:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:FiS is more important than WiS in terms of EVE. Nothing should happen to WiS that will compromise FiS. But, there is scope to develop WiS.
Not all of you believe this. In the other big WiS thread Issler Dainze is actively insulting developers who are fixing Eve but not working on WiS.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1993
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Posted - 2012.03.23 00:32:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote:Harlot wants EVE to be "PIXAR's "Spaceships".
The Cars universe thousands of years in the future.
I'm not sure where you're pulling Pixar from but, yes, Eve Online is spaceships. It always has been and always will be. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1994
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Posted - 2012.03.23 00:43:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Not all of you believe this. There are unreasonable people across all aspects of the game. Hence, I said " a number of those that desire WiS have said it as well"
The problem is that there are so few pro-WiS players that it's easy for it to look like one of you speaks for the rest. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1994
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Posted - 2012.03.23 00:54:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote:So, WiS begins work, lots of people leave.
WiS stops work, not many people leave.
And that means that everyone hates WiS, not that everyone hates FiS being ignored?
:cripes:
This is why I usually just post about dance emotes and space pants. Space Barbie enthusiasts are apparently unable to comprehend anything more complex. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1996
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Posted - 2012.03.23 00:59:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote: See, in the Cars universe, planes, trains, and automobiles pilot themselves. You don't see drivers, they aren't really needed.
You seem to want EVE to stay as a game where ships are basically autonomous, where the lore and a little portrait in the corner suggest that a person is there, but the person doesn't matter at all. In fact, you could remove the portrait and just be playing a game in a universe that has Autonomous ships and nothing else. Like the Cars universe thousands of years in the future.
Now I understand. You don't have the cognitive ability nor the imagination to play a game unless you have a human-shaped avatar. The pod pilot or capsuleer lore of Eve is too complex for you.
It makes sense why you want to take our deep, complex game and dumb it down. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1996
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Posted - 2012.03.23 00:59:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote:I'm so ready to just block your posts.
Do it. You'll be happier in life.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1996
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Posted - 2012.03.23 01:04:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote:Tell me more about how the existence of avatars damage EVE's gameplay.
Read back a few posts where I describe how CCP ignored real Eve content for two years to bring you those avatars.
Better yet, just go ahead and block my posts so you can continue to believe that you're not simple.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1996
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Posted - 2012.03.23 01:05:00 -
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Also, NOFATCHX The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1996
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Posted - 2012.03.23 01:13:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote: Do you want EVE to be a long-term success? Would you like it if the game continued to be available to play for years in the future?
Eve is already a long-term success. If they continue fixing bugs, iterating on existing features and adding more spaceship content it will continue to be so.
If they lose focus again and start catering to people like you then the same thing will happen: Subscribers will leave, layoffs will happen, etc. For the moment it looks like CCP has learned the lesson and we have to make sure they don't get misled by roleplayers. Or fatties. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1996
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Posted - 2012.03.23 01:14:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote:I offered you a hypothetical situation where WiS content could be developed without effecting the development of FiS content.
Why deal in hypotheticals when we have real-world experience to draw upon?
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1996
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Posted - 2012.03.23 01:19:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Nazzer Dawk wrote: Do you want EVE to be a long-term success? Would you like it if the game continued to be available to play for years in the future?
Eve is already a long-term success. If they continue fixing bugs, iterating on existing features and adding more spaceship content it will continue to be so. If they lose focus again and start catering to people like you then the same thing will happen: Subscribers will leave, layoffs will happen, etc. For the moment it looks like CCP has learned the lesson and we have to make sure they don't get misled by roleplayers. Or fatties. It seems I was not clear, or you were deliberately attempting to dodge my question. Do you want EVE to CONTINUE to be a long-term success? Do you want the game to be available for you to play in the future?
I answered your question.
(I know you want me to say "Yes" just so that you can go "Aha! But they have to add space pants and dance emotes for it to CONTINUE to be a long-term success!!1!!1!" You're not very subtle...)
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1997
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Posted - 2012.03.23 01:30:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Nazzer Dawk wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Nazzer Dawk wrote:Do you want EVE to be a long-term success? Would you like it if the game continued to be available to play for years in the future? I'll bite, but first a question in return. What is EVE? Cool. EVE changes, as do most games, but it's at it's core an MMORPG about piloting, trading, and building ships and resources, as well as engaging in combat and social interactions. This explains everything. I understand that you feel I have an innacurate understanding of the game. I'm new to the game, so you are probably right. Could you tell me what is incorrect about this?
Why are you so hostile? The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1999
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Posted - 2012.03.23 02:38:00 -
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Nazzer Dawk wrote:But the EVE forums are giving me something other than just trolls. I am getting people who are openly hostile to change, incredibly rude, and who cannot respond to a calm, civil post with civil answers.
Maybe if you were here for the two years that Eve was ignored you'd understand the anger.
Do you often join games and immediately start telling its long-term players how their game should be run? The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1999
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Posted - 2012.03.23 02:39:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:There'll be alot of hate in this thread from people who are all (keep the spaceship sim in space!) but honestly, the change has only been positive.
Yes the Summer of Rage, thousands of players canceling their accounts and CCP having to lay off 20% of their employees were all very positive. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2000
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Posted - 2012.03.23 02:56:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Lilliana Stelles wrote:There'll be alot of hate in this thread from people who are all (keep the spaceship sim in space!) but honestly, the change has only been positive. Yes the Summer of Rage, thousands of players canceling their accounts and CCP having to lay off 20% of their employees were all very positive. Despite an overall trend of player growth? Thousands of antisocial players wanting an impersonal simulation game left, in favor of a much more marketable, personable game? Sounds like they got rid of people who didn't need to be there: Mostly players who would only discourage a new audience from joining the game in the first place.
The only reason the overall trend shows growth is because people came back to the game after Crucible.
The formula is very simple: When CCP ignores Eve players quit. When they focus on Eve they get more subscribers.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2000
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Posted - 2012.03.23 03:01:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:The only reason the overall trend shows growth is because people came back to the game after Crucible.
The formula is very simple: When CCP ignores Eve players quit. When they focus on Eve they get more subscribers.
Right. Crucible finally released the new Captain's Quarters. Reason enough to come back.
You got me. Players rushed back for three more rooms that melt video cards.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2000
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Posted - 2012.03.23 03:02:00 -
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So all the roleplayers should be happy now, right? The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2002
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Posted - 2012.03.23 03:15:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Lilliana Stelles wrote:Right. Crucible finally released the new Captain's Quarters. Reason enough to come back. Is that a troll or do you really think people came back for that? It's not even close to WiS.
YES IT IS LILLIANA STELLES SAID SO
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